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Diana HoytWould like to widen a boat I just purchased similar to what golden eagle charters did. Any info? Thanks for getting back will send u photos as progress goes also looking to buy a trailer to transport boat to Baja ca she will do bay and whale trips thanks bob On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Carl Tenning wrote: Sorry, no, just the photos I took when I visited the"Golden Eagle". One thing I noticed though was that he provided vertical stanchions supporting the upper deck at where the original walls were. Carl Tenning On 2/29/2016 9:19 PM, Diana Hoyt wrote: would like to widen a boat I just purchased similar to what golden eagle charters did. any info Thanks for reply. On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Carl Tenning wrote: Sorry, no, just the photos I took when I visited the"Golden Eagle". One thing I noticed though was that he provided vertical stanchions supporting the upper deck at where the original walls were. Carl Tenning On 2/29/2016 9:19 PM, Diana Hoyt wrote: would like to widen a boat I just purchased similar to what golden eagle charters did. any info Carl plan on removing the gas motors and putting in Volvo diesels similar to original any idea of the transmission ratios and prop size that was on the diesels thanks bob On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:31 PM, Carl Tenning wrote: Sorry, no, just the photos I took when I visited the"Golden Eagle". One thing I noticed though was that he provided vertical stanchions supporting the upper deck at where the original walls were. Carl Tenning Carl, I have a program called boatdiesel that is pretty good at checking out motors props speed ect. According to what I put in 38ft waterline and 18000 pounds I am coming up with 2 to 1 trans 19.2 x 17 pitch prop with a crusing speed of 11.4 knts max speed of 16 burning 13 gal. hour at cruise 11.4 knots burning only 5.8 gallons. Wouldnt that be great. The other problem I am having is that the origional motors 1 is a counter rotating and other is standard. I need to change the vee drive as the origional vee drive on that side wont work with a standard rotating motor. So looking for a vee drive that is reverse or can go both directions. Other problem is I need to truck from Bull Frog Utah to Magdelana Bay Mexico so also in search of a trailer. Thanks again for your help and the mataining of the owners web site. Bob On Friday, March 25, 2016 9:10 PM, Carl Tenning wrote: y single screw, gas engine had a 2.06:1 reduction. The prop was 19x19. Now the diesels are usually direct drive, so the prop on a diesel would be turning about the same RPM as on my gas engine. Now that was a 350 horsepower engine. So I would guess the prop pitch for a 140 HP diesel to be about 8 inches. You'd probably have to go to a Marine Architect or a Marine Shop that has experience installing diesels to find out what to get. Although you might search the internet for formulas to determine the pitch. Let me know what you find out. Carl On 3/25/2016 8:53 PM, Fish Baja wrote: Carl plan on removing the gas motors and putting in Volvo diesels similar to original any idea of the transmission ratios and prop size that was on the diesels thanks bob Hi Carl The gas engines had a 2:1 reduction; the diesels 1 1/2:1 --- both in the V-drives; not the tranny. Since the gas engines (usually) turned opposite directions, both V-drives were "straight' i.e., both RH and LH drives used gears to make the reduction while dropping the drive level and allowing the 12 degree(?) angle change. (I forget the exact number; Gordy would know --- or it might be in the schematics on your website.) For diesels, which both turn the same direction, one V-drive utilized a chain rather than gear-to-gear to achieve contra-rotating props. My 305's turned 19/16 props; the 350 engines used 19/18. I don't know prop sizes for diesels. There's an outfit in Everett that knows all and sells all with regard to trannys and V-drives. I don't have their name with me at this time. BUT --- we're back in WA state; should be home by April 1. I'll have more reference material available then. Dean Subject: Reduction Gear Hi Dean, Do you know if your gas engine v-drives included any reduction? Here's a guy that wants to convert from gas to diesel. Carl -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: cruise a home 40 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 20:53:39 -0700 From: Fish Baja mailto:magbayoutfitters at sbcglobal.net To: Carl Tenning mailto:c10ing at hotmail.com Carl plan on removing the gas motors and putting in Volvo diesels similar to original any idea of the transmission ratios and prop size that was on the diesels thanks bob On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:31 PM, Carl Tenning wrote: Sorry, no, just the photos I took when I visited the"Golden Eagle". One thing I noticed though was that he provided vertical stanchions supporting the upper deck at where the original walls were. Carl Tenning On 2/29/2016 9:19 PM, Diana Hoyt wrote: would like to widen a boat I just purchased similar to what golden eagle charters did. any info Hi again Carl I don't know if the second message (from bayoutfitters) is the same person as the first message. A couple of thoughts regarding message #2: 1) If he's talking about a CAH 40, they weigh around 23,000 pounds ready-to-cruise. 2) As noted in my earlier reply, CAH diesels used a 1 1/2:1 ratio 3) He's correct in needing a new v-drive, but I think he needs two, because of the differing reduction ratios. 4) V-drives are either "straight" or reversing --- I'm not aware of any single drive that can go either. (He should talk to the Everett folks.) 5) Somebody wrote you a couple of years ago who had (or was building) a trailer to haul a CAH between the US and Mexico. But there are lots of boathaulers who have trailers and the expertise to move one. Dean Your friend is correct on the vee drives also I thought the weight was 16 to 18 k with out fuel and water would like to find a velvet drive reversing drive 2/1 so only have to change one transmission as soon as I start will send some photos I don't think many were made with diesels
On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Carl Tenning wrote: Here's a couple of replies I've gotten from friends: The gas engines had a 2:1 reduction; the diesels 1 1/2:1 --- both in the V-drives; not the tranny. Since the gas engines (usually) turned opposite directions, both V-drives were "straight' i.e., both RH and LH drives used gears to make the reduction while dropping the drive level and allowing the 12 degree(?) angle change. (I forget the exact number; Gordy would know --- or it might be in the schematics on your website.) For diesels, which both turn the same direction, one V-drive utilized a chain rather than gear-to-gear to achieve contra-rotating props. My 305's turned 19/16 props; the 350 engines used 19/18. I don't know prop sizes for diesels. There's an outfit in Everett that knows all and sells all with regard to trannys and V-drives. I don't have their name with me at this time. A couple of thoughts regarding message #2: 1) If he's talking about a CAH 40, they weigh around 23,000 pounds ready-to-cruise. 2) As noted in my earlier reply, CAH diesels used a 1 1/2:1 ratio 3) He's correct in needing a new v-drive, but I think he needs two, because of the differing reduction ratios. 4) V-drives are either "straight" or reversing --- I'm not aware of any single drive that can go either. (He should talk to the Everett folks.) 5) Somebody wrote you a couple of years ago who had (or was building) a trailer to haul a CAH between the US and Mexico. But there are lots of boathaulers who have trailers and the expertise to move one. Hi Carl, You are welcome to post the pictures of our Cruise a Home on your website. I can probably dig up some better ones to send you too The engines are Volvo-Penta TAMD41, rated at 200 hp each. They are coupled to BW Velvet Drive V-drives. They are governed to about 3600 rpm but we usually only run between 1600 to 2200 rpm which works out to 6 to 9 or so knots. The fastest we have ever pushed her was a little over 16 knots as noted on our gps. Darned if I can recall the gear ratio, prop shaft, and prop pitch info at the moment. We are cruising over to Winslow on Bainbridge Island tomorrow so I will dig that info up and send to u. Best regards, Bob Bale Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, May 4, 2017, 4:24 PM, CARL TENNING wrote: I'd be interest in knowing about your diesel propulsion. Like the make of the engines, horsepower, and RPM range that you run. I'm assuming that they are "Vee-Drives". Also if you know the reduction gear ratio, shaft size, and propeller pitch. There's a twin diesel in Canada http://cruiseahome.com/excursion_boat/excursion.html that's quite interesting. It has a hydraulic driven alternator for producing 120v 60 hertz power. Jet aircraft use hydraulic/mechanical driven alternators for producing electric power, but it's 400 hz. Cheers, Carl Looks great! I'll send more pix too when I can. Bob On Friday, May 5, 2017, 11:14 AM, CARL TENNING wrote: Check out your photos on the CAH webpage: http://cruiseahome.nwcruising.net/owners_pages.html Click on "Bobbin' Antsy" Carl On 5/4/2017 9:23 AM, Bobbin Antsy wrote: Hi Mr, Tenning. My name is Robert Bale, and my wife, Nancy, and I own a 1979 Twin diesel Corsair 40 with cuddy cabin which we absolutely love! Your Cruise a Home website is an awesome resource for those of us with these awesome vessels. Thank you for putting the website together and keeping it going. We have owned our Cruise A home for 4 years and have taken it all over Puget Sound, Hood Canal, and into Canadian waters. We haven't gone as far north yet as you have with your boat, but we are working on it! We belong to Brownsville Yacht Club, and our Cruise A Home is becoming well known wherever we go. Among the things we do with the club, I do the website there and I have a link to your Small Boat Owners Adventures posted there. Our members have found it really helpful in planning cruising adventures. I know that websites can be a lot of work to keep up at times, so if you ever need an assistant, just let me know! Your website contains information that can be found no where else and I'm more than willing to contribute time and money to help keep it going. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello and thank you for your great websites. Oh, do you still have QE2? I hope she is still in good hands! I have attached a few pix our Cruise a Home, Bobbin' Antsy. From the paperwork that came with her, she started out as River Queen on the Columbia River, and was ordered and first owned by a Cruise a Home dealer there. When she became ours, she was called Mackay's Holiday. She now lives at Port of Brownsville Marina, which is between Bremerton and Keyport. Take care. Bob Bale 360 271 0146 (mobile) Hello Bob and Nancy ----Hi Carl My name is Dean Singer. Carl sometimes forwards e-mails if he thinks I might be able to help with a question or just have something to contribute. With apologies for the l-o-n-g delay in responding, this time I have a gem to contribute, I think. I am very familiar with the River Queen. Here's her history: River Queen was the first cuddy cabin built. It was the first CAH built -to-order by the factory, and sold direct. The owner was Jerry Gaucher (sp?) of Yreka, CA. Jerry had never had a boat over 19 feet, and took possession of it on July 14,1979 at South Pender Island in British Columbia. Gordy Jensen, son of Cruise-A-Home Inc. owner Warren Jensen, "drove" the boat from the factory in Everett to South Pender, giving Jerry some instructions on the way about operating a twin-screw 40-footer. On the morning of July 15, nine CAH's headed for Alaska, with Jerry at the helm of the new River Queen. None of us wanted to get real close to Jerry. On the first night in Nanaimo --- in a pretty good wind --- Jerry was assigned a slip clear at the end of a long narrow fairway, and around a corner to a spot between a couple of fish boats. We were all busy getting our own boats moored, so couldn't see or help Jerry. When we ran down the dock to see how he was doing, there he was, standing on the front deck with a big smile on his face. His opening statement was a rather loud "Hot damn --- I didn't hit anything." For the rest of the trip, upon docking, he would announce "Hot damn --- I didn't hit anything again". He was a pretty good captain by the time we got back toward the end of August. Jerry had the boat trucked to Lake Shasta, near Yreka. He brought it back after a year or so, because there was no diesel available at any of the marinas on the lake -he had to fuel it from five-gallon cans. After a few years, he sold the boat to Elliott Johnson (who had gone on the Alaska cruise in "The Broker"). Elliott re-named the boat "The Broker II". He cruised it many years enjoying long trips in the San Juan's with his grandchildren. Elliott sold the boat to a fellow from (I think) Anacortes, who made a number of nice improvements to the boat and cleaned up some "aging" conditions that had accumulated. (Sorry; can't remember either his name or the boat name. We met him somewhere in Canada, and he took us through the boat.) It was then sold to an older couple in Anacortes, who were never comfortable running the boat, so it sat on docks a lot. They sold it to the fellow you bought it from, who named it Makay's Holiday, as you know. He moored it at Bremerton Yacht Club, but never really cruised it much, and sold it when he moved to Montana or someplace similar, to be nearer his kids. One reason for my tardiness in responding is because I couldn't come up with his name, even though we spent several conversations yakking about CAHs. You might still have a large white "ball" fender, which I gave him to make his moorage at the club more secure. It might still say "Troubadour" on it. So, we're old friends, even if we don't know each other. Enjoy Bobbin'Antsy --- Mr. Jensen built a fine boat that will last forever with a bit of care. It would be fun to meet you and Nancy some time and share boating stories (BS) about boats and CAHs. Dean Singer 360-377-7513 River Queen (left) and Troubadour (right) at LeConte Glacier, AK 1979 Carl, do you know of anyone that put outboards on a 40 cruise a home? I live in a large inland bay in Mexico that is shallow in places and was thinking about converting the boat to outboards as we want to use the boat to do whale watching here. Thanks Bob Hi Bob, I've thought of that myself. It would provide great manoeuvrability. With removal of the inboard propulsion gear it would probably result in a weight reduction. However, I think it would require a lot of beef-up to the transom. But don't know of anyone who's done that. Carl On 2/5/2018 4:34 PM, Diana Hoyt wrote: Carl do you know of anyone that put outboards on a 40 cruise a home? I live in a large inland bay in Mexico that is shallow in places and was thinking about converting the boat to outboards as we want to use the boat to do whale watching here. Thanks Bob Should be less weight Maybe put extra fuel tank and diesel generator in there Sure you are right about reinforcing the transom but that should not be a problem Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2018, at 6:10 PM, CARL TENNING wrote: Hi Bob, I've thought of that myself. It would provide great manoeuvrability. With removal of the inboard propulsion gear it would probably result in a weight reduction. However, I think it would require a lot of beef-up to the transom. But don't know of anyone who's done that. Carl On 2/5/2018 4:34 PM, Diana Hoyt wrote: Carl do you know of anyone that put outboards on a 40 cruise a home? I live in a large inland bay in Mexico that is shallow in places and was thinking about converting the boat to outboards as we want to use the boat to do whale watching here. Thanks Bob Hello Bob ---- Hi Carl Yeah, I've seen a couple of conversions. A pretty good one in Friday Harbor, with just a couple of 75hp or so engines, but I didn't see what reinforcement he might have made, nor do I know what performance he might have got from those relatively small engines.. As Carl and I know (via Question 10 in the Q and A section of the website), the transom for twin inboard (V-drives) was half the thickness of that for the outdrives, since the forward thrust with a outdrive was a bending moment directly against the transom, while it was pretty much a straight thrust through the bottom hull via the drivelines on a V-drive. I would think an outboard would set up the same situation, and would want to beef up the transom by adding another 1/2 inch marine plywood to the existing thickness. From what I learned with my transom rebuild, it shouldn't be a huge job. (I did NOT do the fiberglass work; just scraped the inner layer off . Get a guy who knows what he's doing for that!) I also saw a horrible job with a 250hp single outboard, but doubted the darn thing would hold together, based on the rest of the conversion work I cold see. Oldboater Dean Your message to Carl: Subject: outboards? Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 00:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Carl do you know of anyone that put outboards on a 40 cruise a home? I live in a large inland bay in Mexico that is shallow in places and was thinking about converting the boat to outboards as we want to use the boat to do whale watching here. Thanks Bob |
